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Neil Livingston Sr. grandfather of Dr. Livingstone

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Donald Clink
Dec 23, 2023 06:30 PM 1 Answers Ancestry
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Hi Paul,

Based on your instructions on second thought perhaps this is the better place to post my message to you. Hope all is well with you in Blantyre these days. I contacted the Blantyre Livingstone Centre regarding the Neil Livingston gravestone that was in the old Blantyre Works Graveyard which the 1830 article you located stated was inscribed Neil Livingston and there was a death date of 1799. The 1799 date is a bit of mystery to me and perhaps it is to you as well. There is apparently no surviving death record for him but I noticed that some Livingstone researchers somehow came up with a death date of 1825, but I have seen no supporting records or information for that date. There is also no birth date for him as well, but some researchers have suspected he was born abt. 1745 and if so then he would only be about 55 if he died in 1799. I am not in a position to dispute what was seen inscribed on that tombstone back in 1930 but I am inclined to suspect that he did die in 1799 and I wondering how you feel about it. We have had some interesting discussions about the old gravestones in that cemetery and I have no doubt as you have located Dr. Livingstone's aunt Catharine McKinnon gravestone. Perhaps you have thoughts regarding this 1799 gravestone.

The problem I am having and I hope you can help me with is that Dr. Livingstone in his book Missionary Travels seems to indicate that his grandfather Neil Livingston lived well into his old age and that he was alive and well when he in his youth. He states that" in his old age according to the customs of that company pensioned off as to spend his declining years in ease and comfort." Also he states that "as a boy I remember listening to him with delight for his memory was stored with never stock of stories.... And Andrew Ross author of David Livingstone Mission and Empire states that "from what little else is available in the records it would appear that his grandchildren were fond of him and loved to hear him tell the old Highland stories. Indeed David and elder brother John, when in their teens slept at the cottage of old Neil and their grandmother Mary when their own house became embarrassingly overcrowded."

I know you have like myself dedicated much of your times in recent years to Livingstone research and you have the added advantage I do not have that is being located in Blantyre where it all began all those many years ago. Your insight would be greatly appreciated.

sincerely yours,

Donald Clink

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Jan 21, 2024
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Donald - I'm not sure I can add much more to your excellent summary. You're far more of a leading authority on Livingstone 's extended family than me! Thats for sure, reading through your Clan forum posts. Frustratingly, I've never been able to find Neil Livingstone's death in any records. There's a baby Neil Livingstone died in Gorbals in 1828, but aside from that no records at all for deaths of a Neil Livingston (r variations of his first and second names) in the Old Parish Church registers between 1799 and 1840. I have doubts about the Neil Livingstone gravestone, Whilst that certainly represents somebody who died in 1799, I can't make the connection of leap of faith to it being Livingstone's grandfather, especially so when David Livingstone himself was writing about remembering his grandfather as a young boy. This would suggest Neil Livingstone was alive in the 1810s, perhaps even into the 1820s. It's so frustrating there are no records kept for the Monteith estate too, which may have listed pensions, workers, lodgings etc. On the subject of David's father, Neil, I always meant to send you this, the census info from Hamilton for 1841 which shows Neil and Agnes there with the two children. (David's sisters who died in the 1890s) Coincidentally, I was writing about Janet Livingstone's death only a couple of weeks ago here on this website. Anyway, hope all is well and the search goes on! Paul
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